Monday July 12, 2004
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Uborka Mix CD:
'Come Back To Camden' - Morrissey
Your leg came to rest against mine
Then you lounged with knees up and apart
And me and my heart, we knew
We just knew, for evermore
Where taxi drivers never stop talking
Under slate grey Victorian sky
Here you'll find, my heart and I
And still we say come back
Come back to Camden
And I'll be good
I'll be good.
No explanation really necessary, I think.
londonmark

I have to say, this is shaping up to be a fine compilation. Since discussions of a musical nature have been infrequent on Uborka I did not realise what persons of taste we were.
Not a single duff track yet.
No pressure, ye who have yet to post.
Doctor Pocket Knife - Monday July 12, 2004 11:09I notice that no one has yet suggested a Cardiacs track? I would suggest 'Is This The Life?', but fear that other Cardiacs fans - all three of them - would berate me for choosing something from the rather more conventional end of their catalogue. "Not enough random time signatures!" they would cry.
Vaughan - Monday July 12, 2004 11:38Oh damn, did I forget to mention No Morrissey?
Karen - Monday July 12, 2004 12:35Yaaaah for Karen. I second that.
Adrian - Monday July 12, 2004 12:44Too late.
Mark - Monday July 12, 2004 13:12To quote Pete [below]:
If we get more than 80 minutes of nominations then I will be as fair as possible when editing for the final CD, and I will probably take comments and my own taste in music into account.
It would be such a shame if we had too many contributions, and had to miss off the Morrissey.
And what more incentive could the other contributors need, to add their own tracks to the CD?
Karen - Monday July 12, 2004 13:18I think there's room for a little Morrissey on the Uborka Mix CD. I strongly suspect you have not even heard the track in question.
Although it goes with out saying that your decision is final, I stand by Mark's choice.
Doctor Pocket Knife - Monday July 12, 2004 13:26I strongly hope that I haven't heard the track in question. Morrissey, along with Terry Pratchett and the Welsh, remains one of my treasured rational prejudices. Don't mess with it.
Karen - Monday July 12, 2004 13:40In which case, Karen, I would like to remove the track from those under consideration voluntarily, please.
Mark - Monday July 12, 2004 13:49Pratchett and Wales I can understand. So I'll let it go. Your irationality follows a special kind of logic.
And Doctor Pockless likes special kinds of logic.
Doctor Pocket Knife - Monday July 12, 2004 14:00Morrissey and Whales (no, no misspelt) I can understand. So I'll let it go. Your irationality follows a special kind of logic.
And Doctor Adrian likes special kinds of logic.
Adrian - Monday July 12, 2004 14:15I feel mean now. Maybe I'll listen to it and then decide.
Karen - Monday July 12, 2004 14:24Whilst I admire your willingness to try, we also quite like you when you're mean... And although I'd be happy to see this track on the CD, I certainly wouldn't urge you to read any Pratchett before reconsidering its place on the Uborka library shelf.
But, then, unlike Morrissey and Wales, Pratchett is a waste of space whichever way you look at it. Wales would just be more sea anyway, and they have some nice hills.
Doctor Pocket Knife - Monday July 12, 2004 14:30At least Pratchett isn't a pretentious knobber.
Adrian - Monday July 12, 2004 14:44The best thing about the Smiths was Johnny Marr. Morissey is a crooning, talentless, miserable old whining hack and I'm not surprised his girlfriend was in a coma because, frankly, it's a better option than having to listen to his so-called songs.
Dragon, the Welsh Pratchett reader.
Dragon - Monday July 12, 2004 15:19Pretentious knobbery is not an unreasonable pastime.
Don't get me wrong. I'm no Smithite - but I do think that they have a rightful place in the pantheon of British pop history. And as for Morrissey, whilst never likely to achieve the greatness of the Smiths, he is seldom uninteresting.
I'll lay off Pratchett and Wales for now, at least until the Uborka theme is tedium.
Doctor Pocket Knife - Monday July 12, 2004 15:27Dragon, brilliant.
Doc Poc Nif, I agree the Smiths have their place in history. I wish Morrissey would stay their with them.
Adrian - Monday July 12, 2004 15:46Touche, Doctor Sevitz.
Doctor Pocket Knife - Monday July 12, 2004 16:07Catching up with all this, my initial reaction was "Morrissey? But he's a twat!"... but considering the wit and insight of some of the other comments I'll have to rethink...
Hmmm, how about:
Morrissey? But he's a twat!
Gordon - Monday July 12, 2004 16:38i feel i must stand up for mark. people, he's the OFFICIAL CAMDEN AMBASSADOR. if he didn't nominate a camdenesque song, they'd take away his NW1 priviledges. and i mean, christ, how many songs did he have to choose from?
boo, get off.
krissa - Monday July 12, 2004 17:15Krissa, it's not that we're having a go at Mark - just Morrisey. Mark is well within his rights to choose a song about his NW1 sanctuary but he could have chosen "Camden" by Planet of the Bugs (might be cr@p but it's not Morrisey) or "Camden" Town by Graham "Suggs" McPherson (might be cr@p but it's not Morrisey) or even "Goodbye Nashville, Hello Camden Town" by Chilli Willi and the Red Hot Peppers (might be cr@p but worth it for the novelty value. And not Morrisey!)
Dragon - Monday July 12, 2004 19:27Go Dragon! You remain an exception to my welsh-people prejudice.
Karen - Monday July 12, 2004 19:55Or Mark could have chosen something by the Pixies (it's not crap but it's not Morrisey).
I belive they played in Camden once.
Adrian - Monday July 12, 2004 20:37I had my purse nicked in Camden once. This argument is not swaying me.
Karen - Monday July 12, 2004 20:42Would any Welsh Morrissey-adoring Pratchett readers care to stand up and declare themselves?
Nope, thought not.
Vaughan - Monday July 12, 2004 21:07christ in a sidecar, i've never even heard the song being attacked. i'll back out of this english brawl.
krissa - Tuesday July 13, 2004 05:19If Christ is in the sidecar, who is driving the bike?
Adrian - Tuesday July 13, 2004 07:03I believe she is referring to Da Vinci's "Christ in the sidecar" in which the Italian painter depicted Christ sitting in a sidecar at the foot of the Mount Of Olives. There is nobody driving in the picture, since despite having invented the motor assisted bike and sidecar, Da Vinci had not yet deduced how the dashed thing ought to be driven. This is why, despite his extraordinarily accurate proofs, we were not riding around in Da Vinci's creation until a few centuries later.
This painting prefigured the more famous "Christ in a Helicopter".
Incidentally, it is surely worth noting that the first track to be forbidden from the Uborka Mix CD has generating the most comments. What was the song again?
The Doctor Formerly known as Pocket Knife - Tuesday July 13, 2004 07:36Vaughan - if you release an album called "Irish Blood, English Heart", you can probably expect your name to be etched on to the national shit-list (perhaps only a couple of places below Anne Robinson).
Dragon - Tuesday July 13, 2004 10:20I have Irish Blood and an English Heart. It doesn't really mean anything besides the fact that my parents are Irish and I was born in England. I gave up any pretense to having an Irish heart when I met other England born pretenders. I'm not sure what having an English heart means - probably that it's a bit dicky on account of all the pie.
Nick (not Pockless) - Tuesday July 13, 2004 11:00k: not having heard the song is not an important part of the discussion. I haven't heard it either.
Nick (Pocklessless): I haven't forbidden it. Just moaned about it a lot. It should be allowed on to the album just for being the most controversial choice.
Karen - Tuesday July 13, 2004 12:41We're a tame lot when Morrissey is the most controversial choice. Therein lies a challenge for those who have yet to decide!
By the way, I have no idea who this Nick chap is.
Doctor Pockless - Tuesday July 13, 2004 13:35That's precisely because we're all the kind of people who won't object to the more obscure selections.
Karen - Tuesday July 13, 2004 14:13I have to give my support to LondonMark- Morrissey's new album kicks ass.
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Destructor - Tuesday July 13, 2004 16:25Damn.
I just listened to it.
I like it.
I feel a bit odd.
Karen - Thursday July 15, 2004 22:24So ... is it allowed?
Mark - Friday July 16, 2004 10:27